Talk:Main Page/2011

Hacker User Pages
Does anyone else think we should organize them so there is the piece at the top that says who they, what team they are/were in, and other basic info. Then have an Achievements section below it stating what they have found/released? Just a thought. --JakeAnthraX 17:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Something like this list? --http 18:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant directly on the user pages, like User:pod2g and so on. So there is a uniform look to it all. --JakeAnthraX 18:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Processors
We have a single entry here for Baseband Device, but the three processors (S-Gold 2, X-Gold 608 and XMM 6180) are not listed. --http 22:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like nobody wanted to discuss this. I went ahead and changed it now. --http 01:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Seas0nPass
Can we add it? --Balloonhead66 03:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine with me; it is pretty notable, after all. :) -- Dialexio 03:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, but I can't add it... --Balloonhead66 03:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of that. :) I'd like to wait a little bit in case anyone has an objection, though. (That, and I'm reorganizing a page.) -- Dialexio 03:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

iPod touch 4(G) and iPhone 4 CDMA
the iPod touch 4G is incorrect. It is iPod touch 4. Also, can we add  iPhone 4 (CDMA) . --Balloonhead66 04:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with adding the iPhone 4 (CDMA model), but I don't see how "iPod touch 4G" is incorrect. It is the fourth generation iPod touch, and Apple has never referred to it as "iPod touch 4." The 2nd generation was called "iPod touch 2G," and the 3rd generation was called "iPod touch 3G." -- Dialexio  04:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My brother said they dropped the G as to aviod people thinking it worked with the 4G network, but he might have only meant the iPhone... --Balloonhead66 04:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I should note that to my knowledge, Apple never actually used the "iPod touch 2G" and "iPod touch 3G" monikers, but the iPod community has used such names for a long time. -- Dialexio 04:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah... --Balloonhead66 04:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please add the iPhone 4 CDMA :) --Ryccardo 20:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Previous Jailbreak Tools
I lately have been dealing with older firmwares and I couldn't find anywhere with the programs I needed. We should dedicate a page to archiving previous releases of tools (e.g tools for 3.X). Anyone care to set it up? --JakeAnthraX 09:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, for 3.x firmware we still have the page Jailbreak. Also on the respective tool page it should be listed what firmware is supported. For a list of all tools, see Category:Hacking Software. But yes, maybe we should have a general jailbreaking tool overview page, like the one in my first mentioned link, but for all devices (including iPhone 2G) and all firmware (including pre-3.x)? Feel free to create such a page if you think we need it. -- http 12:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I was meaning more of a place to have link to all versions of programs since none of the developers add backwards compatibility. (e.g sn0wbreeze no longer works for 3.X, greenpois0n no longer works for 4.1)
 * Ok, now I understand. You mean something like this Where do I download greenpois0n?. This wiki cannot host binary files, but I can add all files to my site Jailbrak FAQ. As long as I don't get hammered with downloads, it should be no problem (currently hosted by a friend at home). -- http 21:52, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Please explain that it's currently not open to new sign-ups
Hi, thanks for helping me get an account here. I had wanted to sign up and found that it didn't work - without any explanation why. Eventually I managed to get in contact with one of the sysops via Twitter and was told that it was closed because of spammers taking over.

It would be nice if you could add a little note on this on the main page. There it still says that anyone can join. That should be changed. Maybe even with a hint at how someone could still sign up by contacting someone, if he can explain why he needs to be in.

--Tempelorg 13:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I placed a message on the user login page. That should do the trick. :) -- Dialexio 16:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that should do it. I also noticed that you provided an email address now. Thanks a lot for the quick fix Tempelorg 17:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

HW Developer related stuff goes where?
I am working on a project in which I want to use the Dock connector's serial lines to communicate with an external device. Since Apple makes this very difficult (tried to get into the MFi program with no luck), I found that I probably need to jailbreak the device in order to use these lines directly.

Finding help in the www was quite disappointing so far (the one by Collin Meyer is quite outdated). So when I figured a few things out now, I'd like to share them. I'd post explanations on how to use these lines on the Dock and how to program them.

I wonder if this is the right site for such information. The main page claim to be about _anything_ iPhone, but all I find so far is Jailbreak-related. So, what is this about? Shall I post my findings here or do they better fit somewhere else, e.g. the iphonedevwiki? Sadly I can't sign up with iphonedevwiki, either. Gosh, why is it so hard to find a place to share programming on jailbroken devices? Any other suggestions, please?

--Tempelorg 13:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it is. This is more appropriate on the Community Portal, not the Main Page though --Balloonhead66 16:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Main Page Orange Bar
I'm getting kind of sick of looking at it, as those things will probably never be done. Anyone want to be bold and replace it with a nice colored jailbreak/unlock status for each device on the latest version(include newest jailbreakable/unlockable if latest isn't). I'd do it but I'm lazy and don't know mediawiki. --geohot 07:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I just changed it. I hope this table's good. :P -- Dialexio 16:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Good start. I would change this: a) iPhone 4 can be unlocked (mine is). This is not mentioned (requires baseband 1.59.00) b) I thought of having a table with one row and each column represents a device with its status (group some together). Maybe a second row for unlock. c) Instead of Firmware page, I would link to Jailbreak page (and Unlock page, but that's outdated). -- http 20:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you change the spaces on the first line to &amp;nbsp; to keep it on one line? Can you also change iPhone to device as the iPad 1G can be unlocked. Also change N/A to  or similar --Balloonhead66 17:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Balloonhead66 21:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me or does everyone see it like this? I am on a netbook, so my small screen might show it different. --JakeAnthraX 22:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Google Chrome! It is because of all of the other stuff on the left two columns and your screen res. IF it could be summarized better, it world look better. --Balloonhead66 23:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's because your on a device with a smaller screen, with a low resolution you can't fit as much content, looks just fine on mine. --GreySyntax 23:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's the screen resolution. To accommodate smaller screens better, I made a few more tweaks to the table, so it should look better on screen resolutions as low as 800x600. -- Dialexio 23:42, 5 July 2011 )(UTC)
 * Checking... I got this (what is on the right). --Balloonhead66 23:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC) [[Image:Main Page Rev18845.png|right|thumb|Main Page Revision 18845 (8:36, July 5, 2011 UTC)]]
 * 1024x768 (2nd lowest (lowest is 800x600) my monitor can support) is fine.. --Balloonhead66 00:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All right. I changed the cell widths to use percentages instead of pixels, and the table appears great on low-res and higher-res screens. :) -- Dialexio 00:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good now. My resolution was 1024x600, so that is why it didn't look right. Thank you. --JakeAnthraX 01:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks great at 800x600 also! Now only if it worked on the iPhone... I might have to check... Looks great also! Those percentages were the trick. --Balloonhead66 02:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Dialexio, I would suggest some more changes to the jailbreak table: --http 02:28, 16 July 2011 (MDT)
 * "Can unlocked" on the left replace with "can GSM..." and remove all CDMA related stuff. (japanese is CDMA, right?)
 * iPad 2 unlock green and "all are factory unlocked"
 * Column else: the two mentioned devices should have their own column and "else" replace with what it is
 * shorter texts "requires a preserved baseband or version x" -> "only bb 1.59" (or similar)

Frameworks
I moved Frameworks to /System/Library/Frameworks. Can we fix the link? --Balloonhead66 20:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. --http 21:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Upgrade
Mediawiki has been upgraded to 1.17, post here if there are any problems. Thanks everyone for continuing to support this wiki, and thanks Dialexio and http for their excellent moderation(also props on the new table) --geohot 22:46, 15 July 2011 (MDT)
 * The one on the right is a thing with mediawiki, it does the styles all on its own. --Balloonhead66 22:47, 15 July 2011 (MDT)

A couple of things in general, I would really like to see higher quality content here, I wish http://iphonedevwiki.net/ would merge with us to get a good dev side of things. Also http://www.idroidproject.org/ could move here. This is a fairly reliable website that's been around since 2008. Tons of stuff should be filled out that isn't, stuff about all the sandboxing crap added to kernel...etc. If you know someone able to fill it out, poke and prod them to get them to do it. --geohot 23:01, 15 July 2011 (MDT)
 * And little side matter, anyone feel like coming up with a better image than the iphone 2g in the upper left corner? --geohot 23:06, 15 July 2011 (MDT)


 * I kindof did, here it is: File:NewLogo.png I can create a new one with the iPhone wiki, but I think that is already there. As for the apple favico, could we use File:Apple-logo.png? Convertico.com will create an ico file for you from a png--Balloonhead66 23:29, 15 July 2011 (MDT)

Table
Can we change it to a ? It looks MUCH nicer that way. --Balloonhead66 22:50, 15 July 2011 (MDT)

Firmware folder structure
Does it make sense to recreate the iOS folder structure and list every file and subfolder of every iDevice ? I think it's allot of effort to maintain and with iOS 5 upcoming I also forsee numerous changes. Having different firmwares for the devices (2g 3.X, 3G 4.X, 3GS 5.X, ...) makes it even harder I think. Just a thought.--M2m 21:00, 10 September 2011 (MDT)
 * I'll second that (though I haven't seen iOS 5's guts yet). Some notable files (e.g.- /private/etc/fstab) are all right though. -- Dialexio 22:30, 10 September 2011 (MDT)
 * I agree. I also find it very annoying that many Apps' pages got moved to some strange page name, just to match some file structure. I would prefer to have the Apps under their original name. If a page for some file structure infos is really needed, then this might get added additionally to either the App's page or a separate page. And if all agree to this change, how should we do this transition in detail? Maybe a page File Structure with all aggregated infos or something like this? --http 10:35, 11 September 2011 (MDT)
 * I second that. Maybe just model it after ONE firmware: iOS 5.0 for the iPhone 5 when it comes out... --Balloonhead66 13:34, 11 September 2011 (MDT)
 * I would keep the filesystem structure (mixing contents from every version) but link to "file pages" with their canonical name: this way one can easily look up the purpose of a file/folder. (example: remove "iOS4+" from /private/var/Keybags, the power user working on a 3.x system won't find it on their device but will know that that folder has a specific purpose in "other" versions.) IMHO, the attempt to accurately describe the filesystem has historical and practical value for this wiki. --Ryccardo 14:21, 13 September 2011 (MDT)

Hackers
Just curious: why is posixninja not listed under the Hackers section on the front page? He's one of the main faces of the jailbreak scene now, and even though he hasn't made a whole lot of significant contributions like the group listed, I think he still deserves a spot on the front page. --Vexenon
 * It was probably due to an oversight. I'll add him now. -- Dialexio 18:52, 25 September 2011 (MDT)

Tethered 4.2.10 and 4.3.5
On the homepage, under "iPhone 4 (CDMA model)" and also under "Everything else", the field for "Can you jailbreak it right now?" should say "Yes, tethered" instead of "No". Britta 23:53, 1 October 2011 (MDT)
 * Done -- http 06:20, 2 October 2011 (MDT)

4S not listed under processors
It has come to my attention that the iPhone 4S is not listed under the heading Application Processors. Thanks for your time. Werl 12:39, 17 October 2011 (MDT)
 * Done. -- http 11:09, 18 October 2011 (MDT)

Steve Jobs
Rest in peace, Steve. You will be especially missed by us here at the iPhone Wiki, as without you, we wouldn't have the iPhone, the iPod, or the iPad, and we wouldn't be hacking them. You were a true genius, a true visionary, and most of all, the best person this world has ever seen. Thank you, Steve. --rdqronos 18:28, 5 October 2011 (MDT)
 * *thumbs up* --5urd 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)

Block
Why is there a three year block on this? (I'm surprised it has been one year already...) --5urd 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)
 * As I recall, an edit war kept breaking out in the "Hackers" section. I gave a warning that the next time an edit war occurred, it would be protected for three years. -- Dialexio 10:04, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 * What about moving it (and the header of the next one to keep people from placing it below the ) to Main Page/Hackers and protecting that page? --5urd 13:13, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 * I don't think we should have to edit the main page enough to branch it off like that. We should keep things organized rather than making new pages. --Jacob 14:05, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 * I agree with Jabob. If Dialexio is not so lazy like I am in the last few weeks, valid change requests on the page Talk:Main Page (here) will get implemented within a day or so. -- http 17:41, 23 November 2011 (MST)
 * I'm not as lazy as you are; I'm lazier than you. :P …Kidding aside, I'll be around more often than not to look into any edit requests made. -- Dialexio 19:07, 23 November 2011 (MST)

Update on jailbreak sector
Guys, on the Main page, we can find a coloured board showing wich devices can be jailbroken and untethered. Well, I don't know how to change, but there is an error. The iPhone 3GS OldBootrom can be jailbroken and untethered with the 24kpwn exploit. The board shows that any version of the 3GS are not succeptible to untether at the moment. If I'm right, please someone change and delete this post. --XiiiX 16:12, 23 December 2011 (MST)
 * Done. -- http 15:38, 23 December 2011 (MST)

TODO List
Do we have a TODO List? People could put things there to make more people understand the priorities of now. --XiiiX 18:42, 23 December 2011 (MST)
 * Project:Current Events? --5urd 20:30, 23 December 2011 (MST)