Talk:Firmware/2013

Baseband version page name format
I think we had a discussion on the format of the baseband version we use for the links / pages here and if I remember correctly we decided to use the format of the version how it is displayed. I can see on this page that for iPhone until about iPhone 4 many modem versions have leading zeroes, but all the rest hasn't. Are these pages just not fixed yet or do they really display the modem version like that? I think I removed one of the leading zeroes on at least one page in the last days (on a baseband chip page I think), so we should know what is correct now. --http (talk) 01:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the baseband actually reports that. Also, the file names are named that way also. --5urd (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the newer baseband chips don't have the leading zero. The "cutoff area" seems to be when Apple switched to Qualcomm basebands. -- Dialexio ( talk ) 04:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, then we should be fine. And I also found my change, but that was probably correct. --http (talk) 08:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Removal Request
Would it be ok to delete the jailbreak column because they are shown on jailbreak page. We could also add jailbreak to the See Also part. I think we should because it is just duplicating. Let me know what you think. --iAdam1n (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually you're right that it's duplicated at we don't need to have this info twice. On the other hand, all current jailbreaks depend mainly on the iOS version (mainly independent of the device). That would mean this info would be better suited to be here. So I'm not 100% sure if we should remove it. I'd like to hear some other opinions too. If we decide so and you finally remove it, then take that opportunity to compare everything against the other page. --http (talk) 07:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Jailbreak does have it by device and iOS version. --iAdam1n (talk) 08:36, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Because no one else replied, I will do it and add a note on deletion any issues discuss here. --iAdam1n (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What? 7 hours? I didn't even check the changes list until just now and I last checked last night about 18 hours ago). 7 hours is too short. Something like 4 or 5 days when the wiki is slow like it is now is appropriate. If there are more that, say 10 **people** editing recently, then a day is fine. However, *****DON'T***** do this, please. --5urd (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was actually 3 days. I made this on the 11th. --iAdam1n (talk) 20:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

New firmwares
I use http://itunes.com/version but this does not show the download size. Is there a better site? --iAdam1n (talk) 11:44, 18 December 2012 (MST)
 * Nope. That's the one and only place where iTunes checks for iOS updates. We're stuck with downloading the entire IPSW (or perhaps sniff HTTP headers after starting a download?) to figure out the file size. -- Dialexio 12:01, 18 December 2012 (MST)
 * The way I do it is start the download, find the mb size and then convert it. --iAdam1n (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2012 (MST)
 * Dont do that please. Reported file sizes are rounded. In addition, files are not saved to a 1MB boundary. You need to get the byte count and that only.
 * Ok so how do I find the byte size? --iAdam1n (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2012 (MST)
 * You either have to read the header returned to the browser or download the whole thing. If you have done any by the calculation from megabyte/mebibytes, do tell so I can fix them. --5urd 17:23, 18 December 2012 (MST)
 * I have looked but cannot see what header you mean. Please tell me where. --iAdam1n (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, found out that you can do . --iAdam1n (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that header. The one that you don't see because it is intended for the browser. If there are any you have done with the MB calculation, please fix them.

--5urd (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They have all been fixed. I'll use curl next time. --iAdam1n (talk) 00:51, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

SHA1 Hash
What do we need to show this for? Does it have a purpose? If not could we delete it? --iAdam1n (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The hash is here longer than I'm a user on this wiki. We can still question if it's necessary though. I think it is useful to verify that you have a correct and not a corrupted ipsw file. I see no reason to remove that. This is especially important on versions that can no longer be downloaded from Apple. --http (talk) 21:46, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand but you can use the download links from this wiki to download so you have the correct version. --iAdam1n (talk) 22:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Editing.
I was wondering, would it be better to add all devices just to that page instead of multiple edits? Of course deprecated would stay as they are just current would be on the page. There would be no need to edit separate pages for each device type. You will just edit Firmware. This will save a lot of edits. Also If this is agreed I will do it for OTA Updates and Jailbreak. It would look like Beta Firmware. Let me know what you think. --iAdam1n (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look at the history of the page (or maybe it was Beta Firmware), that is how it used to be. --5urd (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you like it to be like that again? I made it like this as it was all devices separate but I do not mind doing it like Beta Firmware. If yes I will do all that have this design like that. --iAdam1n (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This page used to be unified, but it got chopped up after HostMonster kept choking on the page's length. As nice as it would be to bring everything back to one page, I don't think there's a problem with how things are right now. The number of edits for each firmware update shouldn't be a problem (for the time being), as long as Apple doesn't push updates as frequently as Mozilla does for Firefox… -- Dialexio ( talk ) 00:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments column.
Is this really needed? I mean its does not state what each iOS fixes and we can tell an initial release. What do you think about removing it? --iAdam1n (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning towards a no for this. The comments could probably use some TLC (e.g. cleaning up obvious remarks like you said, and perhaps note things like 5.0.1 build 9A406 having unencrypted ramdisks), but I don't think it warrants a column removal. -- Dialexio ( talk ) 21:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Shall I remove the exchange bug fix comment? I can also mention the unencrypted ramdisks. --iAdam1n (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to change anything. --http (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Unlock column.
I think we should delete the unlock column because, for ultrasn0w, it can work on any iOS as long as the baseband is correct as it can be preserved. Also, there are IMEI unlocks and gevey etc. Let me know what you think. I have asked 5urd on Twitter but also wanted to know what others thought. iAdam1n (talk) 17:02, August 3, 2013 (PDT)
 * I'm for this. I think we should move the information to the key pages for the device. It shouldn't be too hard to implement into the template. --5urd (talk) 00:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I think it'd be a bit more fitting on the baseband device's page (e.g. X-Gold 608) though. -- Dialexio ( talk ) 16:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have moved these to Unlock. --iAdam1n (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

iPhone Prototype Filesize.
Where was this info found from? It is bigger than the iPhone 1.0 IPSW. Are we sure it is correct as there is no download? --iAdam1n (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have a copy of the file, and can confirm that's the size of it. --5urd (talk) 01:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Table of contents
Is there any particular reason that this page doesn't use a MediaWiki-generated table of contents? I'm genuinely curious about this. -- Dialexio ( talk ) 22:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I remember doing that. Look at Beta Firmware's TOC. Notice how it lists every variant? I manually created this one so it only shows the "main" device, not every variant. --5urd (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the variants be included as well, though? It's like that on OTA Updates, and as you said, Beta Firmware… -- Dialexio ( talk ) 04:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, the reason I only did it here was because I wanted to see if anyone objected to it. I guess I forgot to do it on the other pages. As for OTA Updates, the tables per variant are pretty large, so I think it should stay how it is there. For Beta Firmware, the custom TOC should work fine. Listing every variant makes the TOC very long (3 variants per iPad + main = 4 links) as can be seen on OTA Updates. --5urd (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2013 (UTC)