Talk:Main Page/2012

Disclaimer
Can we add the transparency style to the Disclamer? background: orange; background: rgba(255, 165, 0, 0.5); /* Change to look nice */ --5urd 20:26, 6 January 2012 (MST)
 * What's with adding transparency everywhere? There's not nearly enough contrast between the Yes and Partial templates now. -- Dialexio 17:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)
 * Yah, those I will make darker while still retaining the transparency. But with the "beta" style by thekirbylover, "white/pinstripes-on-pinstripes" looks better than "white-on-pinstripes". --5urd 19:54, 7 January 2012 (MST)
 * Made them a bit darker with slightly more transparency so it looks just the same as it did before transparency, but you can see through them better. --5urd 23:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)

Technical
In an effort to be more technical, can we list all Patches (mainly the Kernel Patches) and all Exploits on the main page? If these ~20 entries are too much, then maybe just the category link, or only those used since 3.1.3? --http 02:30, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 * Support --geohot 08:46, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 * After your statement, no one contradicts, so I've added something how I think it's not too bad. I had to make a selection to not increase the page size too much. Let me know if the selection, order or anything else should get changed. --http 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 * It would also be cool to have the versions the exploit works on, the discoverer, and the first program to implement it. --geohot 14:51, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 * Here on the main page? I think this would be better placed on the according pages. Open the main page on the iPhone (I edit there!) and see how crowded it already is. If you still want it, maybe we need a table or something. Suggestions everybody? --http 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 * Yea, perhaps not on the main page, but an overview of exploits, most importantly which version they work on, is needed. Perhaps just grouping according to version on the main page. I don't view the site often on iPhone, I'll look. --geohot 15:03, 18 January 2012 (MST)

Firmware
How is iOS 5.1 for iPhone 3GS jailbreakable untethered for old bootrom and tethered for new bootrom when the holes were patched(from what I understand) and on the main page it shows there is no jailbreak for everything else. I'm confused here.
 * I am going to try and answer though it is hard to tell what you are asking by your grammar. Those are bootrom exploits, which cannot be patched by any firmware update. There isn't a jailbreak available though, they have to update the programs like redsn0w to work with the new version of iOS. Once it is updated the jailbreak will be untethered for old bootroms and tethered for the new ones (excluding 4S and iPads since there isn't any bootrom exploits for those). Modern jailbreaks require userland exploits to be untethered, but iOS 5.1 patched the vulnerabilities we have been using to get untethered. Hope that helps. --Jacob 18:09, 7 March 2012 (MST)
 * Correct the vulnerabilities for iOS 5.1 are patched so therefor on the firmware page iOS 5.1 for iPhone 3GS should say no for (Can it be jailbroken? (old bootrom and new bootrom) and not yes, that it why I am confused because the main page says no --Staycool72 20:30, 7 March 2012 (EST)
 * iOS 5.1 can be jailbroken on the iPhone 3GS, but at the time of writing this, there are no tools that support jailbreaking iOS 5.1. -- Dialexio 18:34, 7 March 2012 (MST)
 * ok it answers my question. --Staycool72 20:49, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Brazilian Carriers and Cellular Devices
Wanted to let you people know that all Cellular devices sold in Brazil must be factory-unlocked according to a federal law. This should be added to the main page, as it already states the same about GSM iPads in everywhere but Japan. Cellular devices sold in Brazil must be factory-unlocked or the supplier must provide an official unlock if the user demands so. Luxiel 06:55, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
 * I'm against this. Japan is the other way round, an exception. Many countries now sell unlocked devices. Anybody else? --http 16:15, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
 * I'll have to say no to this also. Cellular iPads are sold unlocked in every country except Japan (and maybe a few others that we don't know of). -- Dialexio 16:56, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
 * My bad, I think I mistook the real reason behind that information being stated... Thanks for the answers. --Luxiel 08:28, 2 May 2012 (MDT)

Administration
Someone needs to help this website. It's starting to fall apart... --posixninja 01:42, 11 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Other than George falling away from the scene, what ways is this falling apart? Granted, maybe we could up some long lasting, helpful people like myself or Adam to the admin list? --5urd 09:59, 11 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Anything special you'd like to change? I remember that geohot wanted to have more technical content and we're far away from improving that a lot. Main reason is that the people with the knowledge don't contribute much here. I know that most of the recent changes here are just some keys and new models and stuff. If you have the time, you're welcome to help and reorganize things here. New good articles about KASLR and things that mdowd mentioned in his speech are missing here completely and you could help with that. Tell us your ideas and we will listen. I like being critizised in order to improve things. But please no general "everything is bad". --http 16:34, 11 October 2012 (MDT)
 * The stuff at JailbreakCon 2012 I was going to add, but I have way too much homework on my hands. The only times I can edit are right before I get ready for bed and during fourth period (Graphic Arts). --5urd 20:28, 11 October 2012 (MDT)
 * As you mentioned on Twitter, you'd like to have more technical content. I just added some infos from Mark Dowd's presentation (Heap Hardening, Stack Cookies, KASLR). Let me know if you have specific things that you'd like us to add. --http 17:39, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

Racoon as jailbreak software.
Can you please add racoon as a jailbreak software as corona is on the list. --iAdam1n (talk)13:56, November 4, 2012 (MST)}}
 * raccoon is a daemon that was exploited. Not a jailbreak. --5urd 14:17, 4 November 2012 (MST)

ATV 5.1.1 jailbreak
This is listed as tethered but afaik there is no jailbreak. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:09, 3 December 2012 (MDT)
 * It was listed as "point to 5.1/6.0(?)" firmware, but I changed it to "Yes". The Apple TV jailbreaks aren't as profound (AFAIK 9to5Mac doesn't even report them anymore). --5urd 10:11, 3 December 2012 (MST)
 * Ok but im saying there is no jailbreak not even tethered afaik. --iAdam1n (talk) 13:29, 3 December 2012 (MST)
 * Please fix this. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2012 (MST)
 * Actually ATV 2G is jailbroken for life with limera1n. Maybe the available tools are not supporting it for any reason, but that's just a tool question. I'm not sure if we should update this everytime a new firmware comes out and change it back when redsn0w (or whatever) has been updated. --http 18:03, 4 December 2012 (MST)
 * Oh great thanks . I will correct the other pages. --iAdam1n (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2012 (MST)

Change Jailbreak Table
Can we change the jailbreak table to be vertical? Or at least put deprecated devices on a new line? Because at apple releases the iPad 4 while still keeping the 3GS and most likely the iPad 2 until iOS 7, the page is going to get really wide and making sure it looks good at almost all screen resolutions will be a real pain in the @$$ (like what iDebStore really is).

A vertical table may not be appealing for a home page, but putting the old devices on in a new table or making it like Firmware Keys' tables are. Any thoughts? --5urd 10:11, 8 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Maybe we can drop devices that Apple no longer updates from the table entirely. Owners of these devices don't really need to worry about whether or not their device can be jailbroken, after all. -- Dialexio 20:35, 8 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I like the idea of getting rid of dropped devices. We could just redirect them to Jailbreak. --5urd 10:22, 9 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I also agree with this. --iAdam1n (talk) 21:54, 25 December 2012 (UTC)