The Apple Wiki:Community portal/2015

Apple A8 chip
According to Wikipedia, the A8 chip's product code is not " ", but " " (see the "product code" line of the infobox). If you look at the page for the A7, it's product code is " ". Where does " " even come from? --5urd (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look inside one of the IPSWs for the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus. ;) --Dialexio (talk) 18:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * All CPUs before the A8 are titled using the " " scheme, but everywhere I look, it's actually " ". It's that way with the kernel version also. In addition, the T7000's product code is " " and the T7001's is " ", but the IPSW's manifest files title them " " and " ". I'm not sure how it is listed in the kernel version, but it's probably the same as the IPSW, so we could wait on those until we know for sure. But, for the pre-A8, should we switch? --5urd (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Apple Watch
I've added the Apple Watch using that page to most devices. I was thinking this morning that it should be moved to Apple Watch 1 an have Apple Watch as a page like iPhone etc but then thought that I'd wait to see if there is a second generation some time and if there is, move it then. What does everyone think? I don't mind either way but wanted others opinions. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Mobile Stylesheet
I was thinking recently, if geohot agrees to accept it, that I could make a mobile.css file in order to attempt to make a few changes to the site on mobile. This would make it so that it would not be so ugly and if possible, the text might be easier to read. What would everyone think about this? For one thing, I'd like to mobile the "Log out" off the black part of the screen and put it near the "Contributions" button or thereabout. --iAdam1n (talk) 10:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Instead of a mobile stylesheet to hack up the skin more (like the  and   skins do), I would create a whole new skin. I could write the PHP and JavaScript, and you can write the CSS. --5urd (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you mean a skin just for mobile, that would be ok but not sure how you could make it selectable with a mobile device but not on desktop. If you could do this, it could work but personally I think a mobile.css would be easier since it has to be previewed in the iOS simulator (that's the way I do it). I couldn't say I'd edit a page without being an admin (unless it's made that I could). --iAdam1n (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I was going to mention that MediaWiki includes a sorta-mobile theme called Chick, but it seems that's long gone. MW's changed a lot since I used it, but the way it worked was it subclassed MonoBook (so there was no need to duplicate the HTML template) and swapped its CSS for its own (screenshot). Come to think of it, whoa, I even wrote my own skin called iWiki. Was never updated for MW 1.17, which made breaking changes to the skin API. I probably won't have the time to update it, but maybe someone else could? kirb (talk) 09:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea, since this is actually a wiki about mobiles. No idea why it hasn't been done already. —  Spydar007  (Talk)  15:17, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a mobile pluggin for Media Wiki that will make it look very nice MWoolweaver (talk) 07:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I completed this a while ago but forgot to comment about it. If anyone has any improvement requests, feel free to list them and I'll take a look. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

iPhone serial cable
Could somebody document how to use uart cable (i.e. setup, bitrate, ...) ? Some intructions are available at instructables. Can two iPhones' serial inputs be connected to each other (i.e. TX of 1st iPhone to RX of 2nd and RX of first to TX of second) and minicom used on one of them to connect to /dev/uart.iap such that no USB to 3.3V TTL (FT232RL in the link) would be needed provided that you already have multiple iDevices with dock connector

Bringing this topic back up, I've developed an open source package for iPhone (30pin) serial that doesn't used the PodBreakout that has been discontinued for a while now. Would it be alright to document how to setup/use the boards here? I'm just unsure if this is the appropriate place for it. --Haifisch (talk) 03:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Haifisch, that sounds fine to me - it's iPhone-related, which is the the theme of this wiki. Britta (talk) 09:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

SSL Problems
Maybe SSL is not fully/officially supported (yet), but there are a few issues that should get fixed: Thanks! --http (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * SSL3 is enabled and must be turned off (POODLE attack)
 * weak signature: make sure to get SHA2 when you renew certificate (current one expires 4 Sept 2015)
 * RC4 cipher is accepted, please disable
 * PFS not always preferred cipher, for example when using IE10 on Win7
 * OK, saurik worked on this and it should be fine now other than that the current certificate from geohot is SHA1. Britta (talk) 08:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks! If you want to improve even further, consider HSTS and maybe HPKP too. But I'm happy already now. --http (talk) 12:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Bite-sized editing tasks
It seems fun to make a list of relatively easy useful edits that new editors can do who are interested in helping, maybe at The Apple Wiki:Bite-sized editing tasks or a similar page, and link it from the homepage here. I'd include the following as a start:


 * Look at the list at Special:LonelyPages and figure out whether some of those pages should be linked within other pages on the wiki, and then go link them.
 * Check the links at Useful Links and remove broken/outdated sites and add relevant new sites (but don't spam your own stuff).
 * The iOS version table at SHSH should be listed in reverse-chronological order, with newest versions first instead of oldest versions first.
 * If you run into a scam site, add it to the table at Scam Jailbreaks and Unlocks.
 * If you're reading an article and some part of it is confusing to you, post a message on the "talk" page (click the "Discussion" tab at the top of the article) explaining your question or what you found confusing, so that other editors can use this as a suggestion for improving the article.

Ideas? Opinions? Britta (talk) 09:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

How to report problems
I saw people concerned on Twitter about the skin! Like iAdam1n said on Twitter, saurik just got a copy of the settings, images, and database from geohot and put them into a new site with an upgraded version of MediaWiki; he's asking geohot for a copy of the skin files. In general if you see problems or have requests for new extensions or other changes, it's totally fine to post them here and I'll see them and ask saurik to check it out. If something is more immediate and doesn't need discussion (like something missing, major errors, mysterious downtime, etc.), you can PM me or saurik on IRC (his IRC server is best, irc.saurik.com). Maybe good to post here too in those cases (if the site isn't down at the time) so other people know he's been alerted. Britta (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

More about how to report more immediate problems (or problems that require some level of privacy, such as a major security issue or "Britta has gone rogue") - if you don't use IRC, emailing me is also fine (britta@saurikit.com). Emailing saurik (saurik@saurik.com) won't be seen as quickly, but if you write a meaningful subject line (like "TheiPhoneWiki is giving error 403 upon login right now" or "Britta is putting glitter sparkle GIFs all over TheiPhoneWiki"), it'll likely be seen. Moving to a new server/admin can have some adjustment bumps but they can be fixed! Britta (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Apple internal content on the Wiki
I want to know what people think about having internal content on the Wiki. Some of the current content definitely needs some cleaning up and general editing. Should we publish information about internal firmwares? And is it okay to upload pictures of prototypes? Feel free to ask more questions. --Srb21103 (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking through The Apple Wiki:Ground rules, it says "No posting of copyrighted material. Anything that could legally get us in trouble should not be posted, ever." I'm not sure what other precedent here has been. Britta (talk) 10:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

JailbreakCon mini-talks
Hi wiki people! I'm working on gathering people to do mini-talks (5-10 minutes) for JailbreakCon in June in San Francisco, and it would be cool to have some more people speaking who contribute to the community in ways other than tweak development. Work other than development is important work too, such as documentation. If anyone who has put some effort into improving TheiPhoneWiki can attend and would like to give a mini talk about working on the wiki, let me know via the contact form on the site. Britta (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

File System Crypto
I just added Zdziarski's blog to the wiki (with his permission). I would recommend to take this apart and make multiple sub-articles, like an article for BAGI, another one for Dkey, etc. and on the page File System Crypto itself, just write the overview, similar to what we have on page 16 of the Sogeti document (wasn't there a newer graphic somewhere?) with some short description. --http (talk) 22:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Video links about internal Factory Firmware
It is okay and safe from troubles to put YouTube video links about internal Factory Firmware in the dedicated page, to see how those changed through iOS versions ? Those videos are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWgs1r4LEgQ (iOS 4) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghs_gICQUU (iOS 5). --ShadowLee19 (talk) 09:22, July 12, 2015‎}}
 * I don't see a problem, as I've talked to EverythingApplesPro and confirmed that the prototypes were obtained legally. However, you should probably email him and ask him, since those are his videos. Also, someone else might have a different opinion, so please don't rely on my opinion. --Awesomebing1 (talk) 8:42 pm, 12 July 2015
 * I will ask EverythingApplesPro before add his videos links. I'm still confused about "legally obtained". The two first videos, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWgs1r4LEgQ (iOS 4) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghs_gICQUU (iOS 5) are made and uploaded by me, but devices used aren't prototypes, internal or factory devices. They are production ones which I've restored an internal Factory Firmware using Limera1n BootROM exploit. Devices are of course legally obtained, but it's hard to say for internal factory firmware bundles, because I got them from someone, who got them from someone, who got them from someone and so. I don't know how they have been leaked, in a legal way or not. I doubt about how all those prototypes, factory devices or internal software could be "legally obtained", unless on is packed by accident in a legally bought box in an Apple store or any other retail store. That's the main reason why I'm asking this question before put YouTube video links about internal devices and software. It is even okay and safe from troubles to upload videos on YouTube about those internal devices and software ? I would like to be 100% sure, I don't want me and or TheiPhoneWiki to get in trouble for that. --ShadowLee19
 * There really isn't a legal way to obtain prototypes without being an Apple Employee with very very specific permissions to have it. I would bet money that his devices he has are just like production devices but they have not been restored to a production firmware, instead they have been restored with the factory unit testing firmware (e.g., NonUI, and whatnot) and were never flashed to stock before leaving the factory. I would be very surprised if any real prototypes got out after the Gizmodo leak, they have since improved on locking down those devices internally. Just because the serial number isn't a production serial doesn't mean it's a prototype, serials are very easy to change by modifying the SysCfg. --Haifisch (talk) 11:18 pm, 12 July 2015
 * I'm sorry, this is another case where I skim over links and think they are all the same. I've verified an iPhone 6 that was from Verizon. I must have thought they were all on te same iPhone 6. I agree with both Haifisch and Britta. --Awesomebing1 (talk) 11:33 pm, 12 July 2015
 * It seems fine to me to link to them, since they're publicly available on the web; no permission required for that sort of thing. Most pages have an "External links" section at the bottom, which is nice for adding links to off-wiki resources. Britta (talk) 9:15 pm, 12 July 2015

iOS 9.1 beta 4 build number?
Apparently the build number for iOS 9.1 beta 4 on the wiki is 13B5136, but the number shown on my iPod touch 6G is 13B136. Can anyone else confirm this on their device before making any changes to the wiki? --Tp1194045441(talk) 21:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The 5 is just a false number to get people from beta 3 to beta 4 via OTA. You have the developer IPSW real version. --iAdam1n (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

-AP idenifiers
As we all know (hopefully), the wiki has used lowercase letters for the "-AP" device identifiers (e.g. n90ap, p101ap). I would like to rename all instances to use the proper case— that is, the first letter and "AP" are capitalized (e.g. N90bAP, P101AP, N72AP). Does everyone else approve of this? I recall discussing this a while back and the decision was to use/keep lowercase letters, but seeing something like "k93aap" looks weird when Apple uses "K93aAP" in most areas, save for firmware file names. --Dialexio (talk) 03:28, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've always wanted to use the correct naming like this proposal so I'd be more than happy for the change. --iAdam1n (talk) 06:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This has now been completed. --iAdam1n (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The iPhone Wiki SEO
I checked the page's SEO score and is pretty low. As I'm a webmaster and I work in Web design, I can help with SEO for this community, for FREE. I would like to hear the opinion of one of the admins. --GeoSn0w(talk) 21:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, what do you feel could be changed? (I know nothing about SEO) --5urd (talk) 06:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

San Francisco banner
I like the current, Myriad Set Pro-based banner. However, I started thinking that it'd probably be better to typeset "The iPhone Wiki" in San Francisco instead, since that's what Apple's using in iOS. I came up with two variations for font weight, and then with and without a period at the end. (It's not needed/warranted, but I thought it added a nice extra touch.) If this sounds good, which variation do you think looks best? [A ] [B ] [C ] [D ] [E ] --Dialexio (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I really like A. However, C is a runner up. It kinda depends on which part we are focusing on most. Are we focusing on iDevices, or a Wiki more? For that, I have no answer. Of course, that's just my opinion. --Awesomebing1 (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice! However, for number B, the period's font weight is a bit too heavy. Was it bolded? --5urd (talk) 06:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I like this idea and would choose either A or B. I don't personally mind which of those are used. --iAdam1n (talk) 08:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * B's period actually uses the regular font weight (same as "iPhone"). I was thinking that it looked a little too heavy too… So I came up with [E ]. (Also, I know the mockups have varying font sizes. Don't read too much into that; I'll match the font size with the current banner when we decide on a variation.) --Dialexio (talk) 23:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Using "Beta" instead of "b" for Beta Firmwares
I've been thinking for some time that we should really be using "Beta" instead of just "b" in beta firmwares. An example would be change "9.1b3" to "9.1 Beta 3". This is how Wikipedia does it and I much rather this because it is clearer IMO. What does everyone else think? Although this would be a lot of work converting all the entries, I'm willing to do it if nobody objects. --iAdam1n (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I said this on Twitter, but I don't really care if this change is made. Personally, I prefer the "b," but using "Beta" would look fine. --Dialexio (talk) 03:28, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If nobody disagrees, I'll start on Wednesday, 7th October. --iAdam1n (talk) 21:28, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with this except for Beta Firmware and Firmware Keys. Changing those from "b" to "beta" would take up too much space. Also, I'd prefer "beta" be lowercased, but that's just me. --5urd (talk) 23:06, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't actually think it would take up too much space since it's only an extra 5 characters per iOS. "Beta" or "beta" doesn't matter really, I don't mind with or without a capital. --iAdam1n (talk) 23:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, nevermind. --5urd (talk) 23:22, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell (this is actually hard to find where used without checking all pages but checked the most obvious), this is now complete. --iAdam1n (talk) 06:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Changing Apple TV, iPad, iPad mini, iPhone and iPod touch
I'd like to propose that we changes these pages to List of Apple TVs, List of iPads, List of iPad minis, List of iPhones and List of iPod touches as this would be better and more correct. This would also free up iPad mini for iPad mini 1G so we could be consistent and drop the "1G" as none of the other devices that use "1G" on this wiki. I'd be prepared to do it all so nobody woud have to do anything (unless you want to of course). I'll go ahead and start this on Thursday, 12th November if nobody has any objections. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:30, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is has been completed apart from talk topics and user pages in which the author should fix those. --iAdam1n (talk) 11:59, 14 November 2015 (UTC)