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More Esser Info
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest presentation have been released. Where should we link to them from? --beej 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)

iPhone-Elite
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too. --http 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

Theme
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change 1 2. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- http 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)
 * The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move Mediawiki:Vector.css to Mediawiki:iPhone.css. --5urd 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)
 * Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, save this to iPhone.php, put $wgDefaultSkin="iphone"; in LocalSettings.php and then move the css the  kirby  lover  02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)
 * As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. Here's how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? -- Dialexio 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)
 * Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. the  kirby  lover  02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)
 * That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. -- Dialexio 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)

I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. -- Dialexio 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)
 * Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer filter/-ms-filter syntax like so for IE gradients the  kirby  lover  09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)

I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. (Screenshot) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the Main Page and Special pages page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) Here's a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? -- Dialexio 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)
 * They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like ) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should.  the  kirby  lover  19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)
 * I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that. Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? -- Dialexio 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)
 * One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls. I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) -- Dialexio 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)

I'm interested in changing the banner alert for when someone edits your talk page (or a page you're watching?). Here's how it currently looks, and here's here's my proposal. The newer styling is based on iOS once again (the notification banners) and seems more pleasing to the eye, but I'm not sure if it catches the user's attention as well as the older version. (I think it does, but I'm biased. :P) Thoughts? -- Dialexio ( talk ) 20:03, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ummmm... Your proposal can't be found :P --5urd (talk) 20:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link. Not sure how that "z" slipped into the URL. -- Dialexio ( talk ) 21:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I love it! Maybe move it up a bit and stretch across the entire screen like a notification center banner? I might be able to through together some CSS (vector.js) for a fold down like the iOS banners. --5urd (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Firmware page
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the Firmware page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by generation instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. -- Dialexio 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)
 * That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --5urd 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)
 * As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --http 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P -- Dialexio 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --http 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Maybe we could do it like Beta Firmware where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --5urd 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * This would make the code very long, horrible and hard to detect. Maybe someone can make a template like "Latest Public Release" on device pages? --adaminsull (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What? I made Beta Firmware like that so that instead of editing 15 pages per beta, you would only need to edit one. --5urd (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was thinking you meant all devices on one page. Would you like me to attempt to do it? Obviously I will preview it first to make sure its ok. I feel that this would be a good idea. --adaminsull (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but I would move the "deprecated" devices off of it to their own like Beta Firmware is to reduce clutter a bit. --5urd (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok sure. Or what about making a new page for them like Unsupported Devices ? This would make more sense I would think. I could also do this on Beta Firmware too. --adaminsull (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have made a depreciated devices template for each device type and have added them to that. Sorry for lots of edits but this was required to make the wiki in shape. Enjoy. --adaminsull (talk) 20:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This now also applies to Beta Firmware. I did this because it uses less templates, looks neater and is easier to add devices to if/when needed. --adaminsull (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

iPad mini
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up: The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have iPad mini have a note at the top to a disambiguation page (iPad mini (disambiguation) or iPad mini (first generation))? I don't want iPad mini 1G as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title (Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)). Any thoughts? --5urd 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)
 * New section on iPad
 * New page: iPad mini
 * So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:
 * iPhone -> m68ap for 1st gen, n82ap for 2nd gen, n88ap 3rd gen, iPhone 4 with different models n90ap, n90bap, n92ap, etc.
 * iPod touch -> n45ap for 1st gen, n72ap for 2nd gen, etc.
 * iPad -> k48ap for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), iPad 2 for 2nd gen with k93ap, k94ap, k95ap, k93aap, etc.
 * Apple TV -> k66ap for 2nd gen
 * iPad mini -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models
 * So previously we didn't have the problem, because:
 * 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, m68ap
 * same for iPod touch, only one model, n45ap
 * for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.
 * for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category
 * For me it's clear that iPad mini is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.
 * So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page iPad mini and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use iPad mini, because that's for the category. Why not use iPad mini 1 or iPad mini 1G? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page iPad mini. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:
 * create iPad mini for the device category
 * while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page iPad mini
 * when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page iPad mini 1 and iPad mini 2 (or with the "G" if you wish)
 * the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care

--http 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I went ahead and moved the stuff to iPad mini with a possible link to iPad mini 1G. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on iPad for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:
 * One model type (like iPad 1G)
 * Multiple (all else)
 * I don't think we should put the  on the key pages as we don't use ,  , or  . --5urd 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I will make them all iPad mini. When/if we get a 2G iPad mini, add iPad mini 2G. --adaminsull (talk) 15:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should put the  on the key pages as we don't use ,  , or  . --5urd 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I will make them all iPad mini. When/if we get a 2G iPad mini, add iPad mini 2G. --adaminsull (talk) 15:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should put the  on the key pages as we don't use ,  , or  . --5urd 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)
 * I will make them all iPad mini. When/if we get a 2G iPad mini, add iPad mini 2G. --adaminsull (talk) 15:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Baseband Chip Pages
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing (n82ap instead of "iPhone 3G"; n72ap instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --5urd 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)

Key Pages for iPhone 4 GSM
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with  with the Rev A ones at , but if Apple decides to release another version of the CDMA varient, then we would have: I think we should move the original GSM ones to  like we do for other pages such as Firmware (GSM/GSM Rev A/CDMA) and Beta Firmware (GSM/CDMA). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.
 * iPhone 4
 * iPhone 4 GSM Rev A
 * iPhone 4 CDMA
 * iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A

Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --5urd 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). -- Dialexio 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)
 * The extension  was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM:  --http 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)

Mediawiki upgraded
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --geohot (talk) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * Thanks --Haifisch (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * We have realish caching now too, there's no reason this site perf should be bad. If it's still slow at all tomorrow, let me know and I'll move to rackspace --geohot (talk) 04:19, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * Definitely seems faster. The update caused a few CSS problems though - the background image URL needs to be updated to this and the borders on the top buttons need to be removed. the  kirby  lover  04:24, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * I'll be working on the CSS fixes. It should be done by tonight. -- Dialexio 11:39, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * Great. Seems much faster now. Thanks geohot. --Adaminsull (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2012 (MST)
 * Great! But we now have a problem. The  mirror is not a duplicate, but a whole nother instance. If you compare the Recent Changes of them both, they are different. George, can you edit the   or whatever to **REDIRECT** all traffic over? --5urd (talk) 04:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So after clicking Save, I was put onto . Its the same site, but I'm no longer logged in. The edit was saved as you can see, but it could be annoying and ip addresses can be scary to paranoid people. Is there something that tells the server to send you to that IP address when you save? If there is, can you change that also? --5urd (talk) 04:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Err yea, it isn't exactly "mirroring". Everything is switched to 166.78.23.129, and I configured it so it no longer shows up as an ip address. A redirect is tricky, because where do I redirect it to, the ip? Where do links from that site go? The traffic to the old site has been going down every hour, and will fully switch once everyones DNS cache is flushed. --geohot (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! Thanks! --5urd (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Title icon
The top left icon is showing an iPhone 4S. I have made one similar for the iPhone 5. Please consider using it. I5.png --Adaminsull (talk) 16:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The image has some artifacts around it. --5urd (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? --Adaminsull (talk) 01:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Clean up the image --Haifisch (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it over on the right. Look on the left side of the phone. It looks slightly blocky. The cob isn't complete. I'll see if i can fix up the iPhone one. Maybe we could get iSurenix to fix it up? I like the blue text, but I don't know if it will fit with the highly gray/black stuff. I guess it could make it look like a link, but IDK. --5urd (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Give me a while and I will try to fix it closer. --adaminsull (talk) 20:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Check http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/File:I5.png now. --adaminsull (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Also I did this one http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/File:I5image.png --adaminsull (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you think? --adaminsull (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

THIS IS THE NEW MIRROR
Isn't migration fun? --geohot (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So much --Haifisch (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The migration is complete and the old site has been taken offline. Costs me about $50 per month to run, but for now am still avoiding donations or ads. The old one was unacceptably slow, this site gets about 100,000 page loads per day and it was time to move to server that could handle it. It's using a Squid proxy and barely loaded now, so it is capable of handling much more traffic. And it's much more of a pleasure to visit. I'm hoping the increase in speed will encourage more content creation, and if there's anything else I can do to encourage that, let me know, I'm happy to do it. --geohot (talk) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the migration geohot. This helps a lot. See the comments on your talk page since when we have this problem, I think since February or so.
 * I'd also like to have an emergency contact where we could reach you (just for wiki related issues, maybe only for admins, so that you don't get bothered with nonsense) - you have our emails to contact us for this if you think it's a good idea.
 * If the hosting fee gets a problem, just let us know. Just open a targeted donation and you'll have the money for the next ten years hosting or so. I'm happy to sponsor a month per year or so. --http (talk) 22:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Im willing to contribute to the costs, if needed. --Haifisch (talk) 01:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto --5urd (talk) 22:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It would be nice to see an option for donations, even if not for current running cost for future upgrades or running cost. (Possibly to support related research projects) Just wondering if theres any problem with that?


 * Geo, this is a great site, resource its great to see you working behind the scences. I know you could probably afford it and is easier to pay your self but if we can share the cost why not :) --Blue Skies (talk) 09:32, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

iOS 6.1 on revised iPhone 4 (n90bap)
Neil claims that the [ revised iPhone 4 didn't get iOS 6.1 betas 1-], but Apple [appears to have] released [ OTA Updates] for the device. 9to5mac's report on 6.1b1 and 6.1b2 contains a dev center screenshot that shows no link for the revised device. After inspecting com_apple_MobileAsset_SoftwareUpdate.xml, there are, in fact, payloads for 6.1b2-6.1b3 and 6.1b3-6.1b4. If there was one for 6.1b1-6.1b2, it has been removed. Any ideas? --5urd (talk) 22:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There must have been due to OTA updates. That is enough evidence. --adaminsull (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OTA updates aren't enought evidence. Apple's automatic packaging system could have compiled the deltas even though there wasn't an IPSW for the device. Unless you can give proof of an IPSW, there are no betas. --5urd (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Stub
Can we rename "Stub|firmware to stub|Page so its stub page as it sounds silly as firmware? --adaminsull (talk) 23:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Firmware is software for the hardware. i.e. baseband. software is user mode stuff. Plus, I set it up that way because that is how Wikipedia does it. It was a simple copy-paste with some modifications so it would work here. --5urd (talk) 00:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Editing help
I noticed on the edit page there is a link to Help:Editing. This is actually an empty page. Should we remove this from the page or add some info to it? I am not sure what to add to it even so I haven't touched it. I was wondering what you all thought. --adaminsull (talk) 20:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * To remove it requires knowing the page it is set on (in the  NS). If you can find that, I'll be fine with changing it. --5urd (talk) 00:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's at MediaWiki:Edithelppage. (Special:AllMessages is helpful.) --thekirbylover 11:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I changed it to link to Wikipedia's page. --5urd (talk) 00:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Page Deletion
I was wondering how long we have to wait for a page to be deleted? I noticed two that should be. iDevice Info and Sort this.
 * It varies. Some are within a day. Some take a month. Pages with more content generally take longer. As for Sort this, it contains some useful content, albeit unsorted. --5urd (talk) 22:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

evad3rs page
I made this page but 5urd deleted this. I was wondering why? Also what are everybody's thoughts on this? --adaminsull (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We had this discussion in the past already on some similar pages. But I think when several of these respected hackers bring this term up several times, then we can also have a page for it. But Adaminsull, don't just create the page again, wait for this discussion to finish. --http (talk) 11:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I had already made it before seeing this. In future I will just wait. I did put a note to 5urd saying that he left no reason for deletion. --adaminsull (talk) 12:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC) There is also a twitter account and it has been mentioned that its them by pod2g.
 * I also think when a page is deleted the user should give a reason for it. Otherwise no one knows why. --adaminsull (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It is correct that deletions should be discussed first. 5urd, can you give a reason why you acted so fast, with no discussion at all? --http (talk) 12:21, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I deleted it as we had an edit war about 2 1/2 years ago on unpopular dev "teams" which resulted in the 3 year block of the main page. There were numerous pages made and a flood of edits to the main page. A simple mention my pod2g does not validate a "team"'s "worthiness" unless it was stated that he is working with them. On a side note, just because you see a "team" that claims to have a jailbreak for 6.0 does not mean they are legitimate. I now looked the team up and it is legitimate, so again, my apologies. --5urd (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

iPhone 5
Since Apple uses the A1XXX model number to tell the difference between models, I was thinking about changing the key page names accordingly. What does everybody else think? (This may also apply to the 3rd and 4th generation iPads, and the iPad mini.) -- Dialexio ( talk ) 19:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm against it as it breaks the consistency --5urd (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

AppleTV3,2
AppleTV3,2 is a Revision A --5urd (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Can someone please add this to VFDecrypt Keys. I tried but cannot work out how this works. --adaminsull (talk) 22:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)